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Mandrake'de "group" diye geciyor terim. Belki daha iyidir component'dan. Bu 
component lafi akil mi karistiriyor diye killaniyorum hala.

Bu arada, mandrake'nin bu olayini tam begenmedim. Tamam System'in alti
bizim dusundugumuz gibi, ama gerisi biraz daha category mantiginda, 
debian'inki gibi yapilmis. Aslinda Archiving, Books, Cluster, Sciences, 
Development, Networking fena degil ama bizim daha anlamli birseyler yapmamiz 
gerekebilir, bu vizyonunuzu daraltmasin. Ornegin bizde OpenOffice bir 
component olacak. Ya bizim componentlari en iyi python module'leri gibi 
dusunun, "alt" notasyonu da bunu gostermek icin '.' olsun.

apps.office partof apps
apps.office.openoffice partof apps.office

openoffice-libs partof apps.office.openoffice
openoffice-bin partof apps.office.openoffice

ornegin

buradaki tabii ki onemli sey component hiyerarsisinin *birlikte install 
edilen* adamlara ihtimam etmesi. Ornegin asagida System.Base aynen boyle, bu 
da guzel birsey!

Altlarindaki paketleri yazmiyorum.

Mandrake Group Tree
--------------------------------

Accessibility
Archiving
   Backup
   Cd burning
   Compression
   Other
Books
   Computer books
   Howtos
   Literature
   Other
Cluster
   Message Passing
   Queueing Services
Communications
Configuration
Databases
Development
   C
   C++
   Databases
   Debug
   Gnome and GTK+
   Java
   KDE and Qt
   Kernel
   Libraries
   Other
   Perl
   Python
Documentation
Editors
Education
Emulators
File Tools
Games
   Adventure
   Arcade
   Boards
   Cards
   Other
   Puzzles
   Sports
   Strategy
Graphical desktop
   Enlightenment
   FVWM based
   GNOME
   Icewm
   KDE
   Other
   Sawfish
   WindowMakes
   Xfce
Graphics
Monitoring
Networking
  Chat
   File transfer
   Instant messaging
   Instant Messaging
   IRC
   Mail
   News
   Other
   Remote access
   WWW
Office
Publishing
Sciences
  Astronomy
  Biology
  Chemistry
  Computer science
  Geosciences
  Mathematics
  Other
  Physics
System
  Base
  Configuration
  Cryptography
  Deployment
  Fonts
  Internationalization
  Kernel and hardware
  Libraries
  Servers
  X11
  XFree86
Shells
Sounds
System
Terminals
Text tools
Toys
Video

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Selamlar..

Benim görüşüm, kullanıcının karşısına ilk anda bu kadar çok
kategori çıkarsa, çabucak refüze olacağıdır. Kapsamları daraltıp,
işi 2 kademe yerine 3-4 kademeye yaymak daha kullanışlı olur
sanıyorum.

İyi bir örnek değil ama, freshmeat.net'te ki kategorilere bir bakabiliriz.

# Adaptive Technologies  (51 projects)
# Artistic Software (165 projects)
# Communications (5684 projects)
# Database (2022 projects)
# Desktop Environment (2373 projects)
# Documentation (172 projects)
# Education (896 projects)
# freshmeat.net (28 projects)
# Games/Entertainment (2720 projects)
# Home Automation (80 projects)
# Information Management (1259 projects)
# Internet (10220 projects)
# Multimedia (6251 projects)
# Office/Business (2066 projects)
# Other/Nonlisted Topic (261 projects)
# Printing (227 projects)
# Religion (50 projects)
# Scientific/Engineering (2705 projects)
# Security (1591 projects)
# Software Development (10758 projects)
# System (10314 projects)
# Terminals (321 projects)
# Text Editors (647 projects)
# Text Processing (2416 projects)
# Utilities (3056 projects)

Bu listeden çıkarılabilecek bir sürü şey olabilir. Hatta minor
şeyler birleştirilip bir alt seviyede detaylandırılabilir. Freshmeat
bunları upuzun uzatıyor, böylece aradığını bulmak daha kolay
oluyor.

Yukarıdaki liste çok uygun değil. Örneğin, Text Editors ile Office
ayrımı çoğu için anlam ifade etmez. Database ile
development/business'in ayrık durması da anlamsız bence, Databases
development ve belki business altında listlenebilir.

Liste ne kadar uzun olursa, o kadar bıkkınlık verici olacaktır
sanıyorum. Bu yüzden de laf gelimi, her kademede en fazla 10 girdi
olacak şekilde daha derin listeler hazırlanmasının faydalı
olacağını düşünüyorum..

Saygı ve sevgiler..

> Mandrake'de "group" diye geciyor terim. Belki daha iyidir component'dan.
> Bu
> component lafi akil mi karistiriyor diye killaniyorum hala.
>
> Bu arada, mandrake'nin bu olayini tam begenmedim. Tamam System'in alti
> bizim dusundugumuz gibi, ama gerisi biraz daha category mantiginda,
> debian'inki gibi yapilmis. Aslinda Archiving, Books, Cluster, Sciences,
> Development, Networking fena degil ama bizim daha anlamli birseyler
> yapmamiz
> gerekebilir, bu vizyonunuzu daraltmasin. Ornegin bizde OpenOffice bir
> component olacak. Ya bizim componentlari en iyi python module'leri gibi
> dusunun, "alt" notasyonu da bunu gostermek icin '.' olsun.
>
> apps.office partof apps
> apps.office.openoffice partof apps.office
>
> openoffice-libs partof apps.office.openoffice
> openoffice-bin partof apps.office.openoffice
>
> ornegin
>
> buradaki tabii ki onemli sey component hiyerarsisinin *birlikte install
> edilen* adamlara ihtimam etmesi. Ornegin asagida System.Base aynen boyle,
> bu
> da guzel birsey!
>
> Altlarindaki paketleri yazmiyorum.
>
> Mandrake Group Tree
> --------------------------------
>
> Accessibility
> Archiving
>    Backup
>    Cd burning
>    Compression
>    Other
> Books
>    Computer books
>    Howtos
>    Literature
>    Other
> Cluster
>    Message Passing
>    Queueing Services
> Communications
> Configuration
> Databases
> Development
>    C
>    C++
>    Databases
>    Debug
>    Gnome and GTK+
>    Java
>    KDE and Qt
>    Kernel
>    Libraries
>    Other
>    Perl
>    Python
> Documentation
> Editors
> Education
> Emulators
> File Tools
> Games
>    Adventure
>    Arcade
>    Boards
>    Cards
>    Other
>    Puzzles
>    Sports
>    Strategy
> Graphical desktop
>    Enlightenment
>    FVWM based
>    GNOME
>    Icewm
>    KDE
>    Other
>    Sawfish
>    WindowMakes
>    Xfce
> Graphics
> Monitoring
> Networking
>   Chat
>    File transfer
>    Instant messaging
>    Instant Messaging
>    IRC
>    Mail
>    News
>    Other
>    Remote access
>    WWW
> Office
> Publishing
> Sciences
>   Astronomy
>   Biology
>   Chemistry
>   Computer science
>   Geosciences
>   Mathematics
>   Other
>   Physics
> System
>   Base
>   Configuration
>   Cryptography
>   Deployment
>   Fonts
>   Internationalization
>   Kernel and hardware
>   Libraries
>   Servers
>   X11
>   XFree86
> Shells
> Sounds
> System
> Terminals
> Text tools
> Toys
> Video
>
> --
> Eray
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Buna bakip dusundunuz mu? Bakiniz, mandrake'nin daha cok kategorik
bir ayrim, cok component mantigina uymuyor. Fedora daha uygun aslinda ama o da 
cok basit yararli olmak icin.

On Thursday 21 July 2005 03:54 pm, Eray Ozkural wrote:
> Mandrake'de "group" diye geciyor terim. Belki daha iyidir component'dan. Bu
> component lafi akil mi karistiriyor diye killaniyorum hala.
>
> Bu arada, mandrake'nin bu olayini tam begenmedim. Tamam System'in alti
> bizim dusundugumuz gibi, ama gerisi biraz daha category mantiginda,
> debian'inki gibi yapilmis. Aslinda Archiving, Books, Cluster, Sciences,
> Development, Networking fena degil ama bizim daha anlamli birseyler
> yapmamiz gerekebilir, bu vizyonunuzu daraltmasin. Ornegin bizde OpenOffice
> bir component olacak. Ya bizim componentlari en iyi python module'leri gibi
> dusunun, "alt" notasyonu da bunu gostermek icin '.' olsun.
>
> apps.office partof apps
> apps.office.openoffice partof apps.office
>
> openoffice-libs partof apps.office.openoffice
> openoffice-bin partof apps.office.openoffice
>
> ornegin
>
> buradaki tabii ki onemli sey component hiyerarsisinin *birlikte install
> edilen* adamlara ihtimam etmesi. Ornegin asagida System.Base aynen boyle,
> bu da guzel birsey!
>
> Altlarindaki paketleri yazmiyorum.
>
> Mandrake Group Tree
> --------------------------------
>
> Accessibility
> Archiving
>    Backup
>    Cd burning
>    Compression
>    Other
> Books
>    Computer books
>    Howtos
>    Literature
>    Other
> Cluster
>    Message Passing
>    Queueing Services
> Communications
> Configuration
> Databases
> Development
>    C
>    C++
>    Databases
>    Debug
>    Gnome and GTK+
>    Java
>    KDE and Qt
>    Kernel
>    Libraries
>    Other
>    Perl
>    Python
> Documentation
> Editors
> Education
> Emulators
> File Tools
> Games
>    Adventure
>    Arcade
>    Boards
>    Cards
>    Other
>    Puzzles
>    Sports
>    Strategy
> Graphical desktop
>    Enlightenment
>    FVWM based
>    GNOME
>    Icewm
>    KDE
>    Other
>    Sawfish
>    WindowMakes
>    Xfce
> Graphics
> Monitoring
> Networking
>   Chat
>    File transfer
>    Instant messaging
>    Instant Messaging
>    IRC
>    Mail
>    News
>    Other
>    Remote access
>    WWW
> Office
> Publishing
> Sciences
>   Astronomy
>   Biology
>   Chemistry
>   Computer science
>   Geosciences
>   Mathematics
>   Other
>   Physics
> System
>   Base
>   Configuration
>   Cryptography
>   Deployment
>   Fonts
>   Internationalization
>   Kernel and hardware
>   Libraries
>   Servers
>   X11
>   XFree86
> Shells
> Sounds
> System
> Terminals
> Text tools
> Toys
> Video

-- 
Eray Ozkural (exa), Uludag Gelistiricisi
http://cekirdek.uludag.org.tr/~eray   http://www.kde.org
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From: Eray Ozkural <eray@uludag.org.tr>
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bunu gormus muydunuz?

genelde iki seviye ana component'lari belirtmek icin yeterli
mandrake'nin kafasinin karismasi icin kategorilerle componentlari
karismasi yeterli olmus, yani asagidaki bircok sey aslinda component
*degil* kategori.

On Thursday 21 July 2005 03:54 pm, Eray Ozkural wrote:
> Mandrake'de "group" diye geciyor terim. Belki daha iyidir component'dan. Bu
> component lafi akil mi karistiriyor diye killaniyorum hala.
>
> Bu arada, mandrake'nin bu olayini tam begenmedim. Tamam System'in alti
> bizim dusundugumuz gibi, ama gerisi biraz daha category mantiginda,
> debian'inki gibi yapilmis. Aslinda Archiving, Books, Cluster, Sciences,
> Development, Networking fena degil ama bizim daha anlamli birseyler
> yapmamiz gerekebilir, bu vizyonunuzu daraltmasin. Ornegin bizde OpenOffice
> bir component olacak. Ya bizim componentlari en iyi python module'leri gibi
> dusunun, "alt" notasyonu da bunu gostermek icin '.' olsun.
>
> apps.office partof apps
> apps.office.openoffice partof apps.office
>
> openoffice-libs partof apps.office.openoffice
> openoffice-bin partof apps.office.openoffice
>
> ornegin
>
> buradaki tabii ki onemli sey component hiyerarsisinin *birlikte install
> edilen* adamlara ihtimam etmesi. Ornegin asagida System.Base aynen boyle,
> bu da guzel birsey!
>
> Altlarindaki paketleri yazmiyorum.
>
> Mandrake Group Tree
> --------------------------------
>
> Accessibility
> Archiving
>    Backup
>    Cd burning
>    Compression
>    Other
> Books
>    Computer books
>    Howtos
>    Literature
>    Other
> Cluster
>    Message Passing
>    Queueing Services
> Communications
> Configuration
> Databases
> Development
>    C
>    C++
>    Databases
>    Debug
>    Gnome and GTK+
>    Java
>    KDE and Qt
>    Kernel
>    Libraries
>    Other
>    Perl
>    Python
> Documentation
> Editors
> Education
> Emulators
> File Tools
> Games
>    Adventure
>    Arcade
>    Boards
>    Cards
>    Other
>    Puzzles
>    Sports
>    Strategy
> Graphical desktop
>    Enlightenment
>    FVWM based
>    GNOME
>    Icewm
>    KDE
>    Other
>    Sawfish
>    WindowMakes
>    Xfce
> Graphics
> Monitoring
> Networking
>   Chat
>    File transfer
>    Instant messaging
>    Instant Messaging
>    IRC
>    Mail
>    News
>    Other
>    Remote access
>    WWW
> Office
> Publishing
> Sciences
>   Astronomy
>   Biology
>   Chemistry
>   Computer science
>   Geosciences
>   Mathematics
>   Other
>   Physics
> System
>   Base
>   Configuration
>   Cryptography
>   Deployment
>   Fonts
>   Internationalization
>   Kernel and hardware
>   Libraries
>   Servers
>   X11
>   XFree86
> Shells
> Sounds
> System
> Terminals
> Text tools
> Toys
> Video

-- 
Eray Ozkural (exa), Uludag Gelistiricisi
http://cekirdek.uludag.org.tr/~eray   http://www.kde.org
http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo   http://www.malfunct.com

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